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Aussie mid engined v6 buggy buildThis is a discussion on Aussie mid engined v6 buggy build within the Project and Build-Up Section forums, part of the TunedTech's Features category; I’ve been building and racing my own sedans and buggies for basic level motorsport for thirty years, winning a few club championships and state titles along the way. A number ... |
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| tTECH newbie | This pic shows the second rear compulsory roof brace I needed to install going from the main hoop down to the hip rail. You can see how much tougher it makes the driver’s compartment than the old buggy frame I started with. ![]() Once again I chose to add gusseting to make it even stronger which joins the brace into the diagonal within the main hoop, plus a tube triangulating the side hoop to the outer edge of than main hoop. Sorry about the masking tape – but it’s the only way I can keep fabricating before my welder and his MIG arrive without loose bits of steel falling on my head. ![]() I added a second gusset plate to tie the rear roof brace into two bars within the main hoop, each bar strengthening the other. | ||
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| Home boy... | this will be the crazies build I've ever seen... Your insane bill lol How much power were you looking with this build? are you going to put turbos? or just complete N/A
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| tTECH newbie | Raid3n I'm gonna leave it stock for reliability, and because with 163kw and 317 nm torque it will have 60% more power and double the toque of anything else I'll race against. For example that's 50% more torque than a H22 Honda V-Tec. Now for some lessons in steering geometry. A good friend of mine who’s built many race cars is following this build blog and rang to warn me of a problem to avoid. In a nutshell if I use Magna hubs in the front of my buggy by swapping the left to the right and vice versa I’ll end up with Reverse Ackerman. His call reminded me of a Datsun Bluebird my brother in law bought that’d had a V8 swap done on it, and they’d had to swap the front uprights across so they could put a forward mounted steering rack in it to clear the block. I drove that car and it was WEIRD around corners. He had a wheel alignment done, they discovered Reverse Ackerman, so he sold the car asap. But what is it??? Ackermann steering geometry is an arrangement of linkages in the steering of a car designed to solve the problem of wheels on the inside and outside of a turn needing to trace out circles of different radius. The intention of it is to avoid the need for tyres to slip sideways when following the path around a curve. Ackermann steering geometry is made by moving the steering pivot points inward so as to lie on a line drawn between the steering kingpins and the centre of the rear axle. You can see from the following pic of the Magna front hubs I am using on the back, that if you put the steering rack in the front of the axle line you need your steering arm rack holes on the hubs to be CLOSER to the disc brakes, rather than angled away from thems. ![]() So what does this mean for my build? Basically to use a steering rack mounted forward of the front axle line means I’ll have to source a pair of front uprights from a road car of the same design, and with the Magna stud pattern of 5 x 114.3. Some likely candidates from my initial research suggests Mazda Rx7, Skyline R33 or R34, and Toyoata Hilux 2wd worth looking at in the metal. Does anyone know if any of these cars have a forward mounted rack? I cut more re-enforcing bars for the rollcage. Although these two going to the top outer edge of the main hoop aren’t compulsory why would you NOT have them? I’ve at last run out of steel to cut more framing until my steel merchant re-opens in the New Year, but I’m sure MIG man will be glad of that! Last edited by Aussie V-Tec nut; 12-27-2011 at 03:58 PM. | ||
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| tTECH newbie | My son races this RX7 series 6 and sent me pics of his suspension, which uses a front mounted steering rack. So with the same stud pattern as the TJ Magna it looks like I've found the front hubs and brakes I need to chase after for "Raptor". ![]() Here's what his toy looks like. It used to be black but we vinyly wrapped it copying the Le Mans winning Rx7. Easier and cheaper than painting, and you can change it when you get bored. | ||
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| tTECH newbie | Time to remove the rear steering rack and locate the tie rod ends. The other fwd power plants to rwd converted buggies I’d seen had all fastened the tie rod ends cut off from their redundant steering racks to their chassis. This requires exact locating, otherwise the car will steer itself as it rides up & down (bump steer). I would’ve done it the same way, except I was lucky enough to have a careful look two weeks ago at a brand new mid engined Clubman a club member had made for black top work. I’d already got a few innovative suspension ideas off his car as I walked around it at it’s debut. Then I saw he’d fastened his rear (non-steering) tie rod ends to the lower wishbones rather than the chassis. I instantly realised this was a much better method, because the tie rod arms would just move as part of the wishbone itself – eliminating any possibility of bumpsteer. So the first thing I did was cut and shorten the tie rod arms off the rack, then I threaded them to take two large nuts. ![]() Then I made a strong bracket to be welded onto the wishbone to which I could bolt the arms. I drilled a small hole in the arm ends to take a split pin as a failsafe. I’ll weld the outer nut and a big washer to the rod, and use a Nylock nut before the split pin on the inside. ![]() Although not crucial, you can see from above that the rod lines up with where it used to attach to the steering rack, which has now been removed. And what a heavy cow it was too! ![]() Adjusting toe in and out on the rear will obviously be a cinch now. | ||
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| tTECH newbie | Reversing the Gearshift One of the things that attracted me to the Magna for this build was that the gear shift linkages were cables – rather than rods. This makes re-positioning the gearstick in front of the mid-engined motor (compared to behind the donk in it’s factory fwd set up), much easier. The cable collars were mounted at the back of the motor near the flywheel – but if I used the stock position the cables would have to be significantly lengthened, and the gearstick would be on the wrong side of the cockpit. So I put the cables on the other side of the gearbox linkages, changing it from a push / pull setup to a pull / push one. I did this through some pivot arms I made and a couple of turn buckles left over from a landscaping job. This reversed the shift pattern… which is just what I wanted. ![]() Besides the cabling now going forward of the engine (instead of back), the cables would now enter the gearstick from behind it (rather than from the front). I spun the gearstick around the other way – two control reverses retaining the normal shift pattern, and cables that won’t need lengthening. | ||
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| tTECH newbie | TIG Man Starts My son James has just bought and learnt to use a TIG welder for the construction we both do on our race cars. TIG welding is slower than MIG – but stronger and more suited to delicate jobs. So I took the gear shift linkages I’d cut and a few other bits over to him and away he went. ![]() Then it was back home to paint them with aerosol engine enamel. It needs no primer, is heat proof, and quick drying. By afternoon tea time I was able to assemble the welded linkage pieces and adjust them to clear where the chassis rail will go. ![]() I also re-fitted a couple of engine brackets I’d lightened and painted as well. ![]() If I’m lucky MIG man will turn up tomorrow and we can get into welding the main pieces of the chassis together. Last edited by Aussie V-Tec nut; 01-02-2012 at 01:18 AM. | ||
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| tTECH newbie | I just watched today's Dakar and saw lots of vehicles with their front struts leaning back and the wheel going back as it went up. They're called motorbikes. | ||
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| ttech Super Mod | WOW Building your own monster machine in your own garage starting from a frame that you deconstructed and made it your own design. You basically only paid $150 for that engine and tranny with the little "rebate" you got back from the salvage yard. I love reading your threads for many reasons. The information provided in them with your mini lessons that cover a wide range of useful topics is the best. along with the pictures and diagrams of real life actual things going on so that it is easier to understand for nubs like me lol. Keep up on this build, i can't wait to see what is going to out of this, she is going to go super fast lol. Hopefully you'll post a video of her in action one day. =) | ||
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| tTECH newbie | Thanks for the encouragement Shanook. I do try to avoid b/s in my blogs, keep no secrets (triumphs or problems), and try to pass on what I've learnt to others. A video? Mate if you've checked out my WJP004 U-Tube channel you'll know I'm already shooting and producing it as I go. Look What Turned Up Today My son James picked up these Mazda RX7 series 8 front hubs and brakes in Sydney and dropped them off. They are HUGE, with FOUR pot calipers. Tons of grip here, and you can see how readily the hubs will bolt into the double wishbones I’ll make. Nice and short too, being only 20cm high from the top to bottom joint. This measurement determines the distance between the inner mounting points for both upper and lower wishbones on the front chassis, so I am well pleased. ![]() These were in a front mounted steering rack like my design, and if you compare the angles of the steering arms on my previous pic of the Magna hubs to these the difference is obvious, as is that I will have no reverse Ackerman using these babies. ![]() My 12 1/2 inch steering wheel also turned up - just $35 on E-bay. I think we can thank compulsory airbags in road cars for this price plummet. | ||
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| tTECH newbie | Positioning the front hubs On the second last day of my annual leave I unbolted the four pot calipers and discs off the Mazda RX7 hubs. This made them a lot lighter and easier to handle, and with coach screws I was able to screw them to the construction floor on the wheel base line. ![]() Holding them in place this way is going to make measuring up for the pilot wishbones a lot easier. ![]() I’d bent the front lower half of the bullbar that’ll also hold the first piece of the front floor, so I cut the skid plate for it out of 3mm sheet which will be welded to it. | ||
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